Et Tu Brute.....

Wartdawg wrote: From what I've seen here, and from most of the UGA fans I know... Realistic is where most of us
fall.

It is certainly where I fall. I want us to be "in the hunt" for a majority of the season.

I agree Wartdawg & Southernlover. Do believe the vast majority of us are in the "realistic" category. That said, I felt pretty realistic when I walked into Sanford Stadium last Sat. afternoon expecting a loss but hoping for a win (SC was the better coached team & for once, had the better players too at least when you compare the starting 22 on both sides, IMHO). Turned out better than I expected as far as the Dawgs performance (especially on Defense) but in the end, my realistic expectations were confirmed & we lost.

Limeydawg, I thought your post was very well put!

Question back to you is: Who is responsible for these perceived "low" standards? Is it the administration, the AD, the head coach, the alumni, the fans? Just curious as to your thoughts on where these standards (however lacking they may be) come from & what do you think we should do to correct it? Firing the entire coaching staff would appear on the surface like we are attempting to "raise" the standards, but to your point, we must have a "reasonable chance of attaining said standard for it to be applicable".

I'm just wondering how you or anybody else would feel if we fire the current regime & bring in another regime that fails to produce. Would you feel good because at least we TRIED to raise the standard, or would it be a moot point because the end is greater than the means in this situation (i.e. only WINNING raises the standard)???

LimeyDawg wrote:

Wartdawg wrote: It's just pretty darn irritating to see fans of the program respond to this talk about
our performance over the past 3 years with "well we don't have very high standards anyway",
and that is how some of those posts have come across.

Why?
What makes one fan's opinion more relevant than another's on the subject of standards. We have one consensus NC, two if you count 42, which wasn't consensus. Did we have high standards during the Dooley years, when 6, 7, 8 wins was okay? How long did we suffer Jim Donnan? Ray Goff? IF we had high standards, we never would have suffered Willie Martinez. If we had high standards, we would not have Mike Bobo as OC. The problem is that only (certain) fans have the sack to stand up and point this out, even though it is to the detriment of their perceived standing as a "true fan." The fact of the matter is that, just like patriotism, sometimes you have to speak up against the system, to risk the label of traitor and malcontent in the eyes of those not willing to think deeply enough into the problem to see the ugly baby for what it is. You CANNOT arbitrarily set a standard and say "this is it." You have to have a reasonable chance of actually attaining that standard for it to apply, but the current configuration in Athens couldn't hit a NC with the soles of their feet if it covered the floor. And yet, the current configuration is allowed to persist.
Low standards.

Why?

In terms of wins, losses, and winning percentages... we fans are only holding the UGA football
program to demonstrable, realistic standards. I for one have not asked for anything more than
what our program is. Basically a top 10 type program. The posted facts say that is what we are,
and I seek nothing more than that.

That is the "why". I will argue with someone who says we don't have very high standards set
around here anyway, and then attempt to compare us to the much higher standards at 'Bama and
other places. That's BS, and it's proven fact. Where we are over the past 3 years is well
below our standards.

What I was saying was a direct response to someone comparing our program to 'Bama and a post
that used a 63% winning percentage over the history of the program as evidence that we don't
have high standards to live up to anyway. That's a winning percentage in the ball park of
all of the other top programs, so we should expect as much as those other programs. I stand
by that.

Admittedly we don't have the NC pedigree, and admittedly I don't think 'Bama would put up
with this sort of nonsense from a coaching staff, but I also think it's fair to say the program
has higher standards than what we saw in the Liberty bowl last year, and whatever the heck
we want to call what we saw on Sept 3rd of 2011.

LimeyDawg wrote:

Wartdawg wrote: It's just pretty darn irritating to see fans of the program respond to this talk about
our performance over the past 3 years with "well we don't have very high standards anyway",
and that is how some of those posts have come across.

Why?
What makes one fan's opinion more relevant than another's on the subject of standards. We have one consensus NC, two if you count 42, which wasn't consensus. Did we have high standards during the Dooley years, when 6, 7, 8 wins was okay? How long did we suffer Jim Donnan? Ray Goff? IF we had high standards, we never would have suffered Willie Martinez. If we had high standards, we would not have Mike Bobo as OC. The problem is that only (certain) fans have the sack to stand up and point this out, even though it is to the detriment of their perceived standing as a "true fan." The fact of the matter is that, just like patriotism, sometimes you have to speak up against the system, to risk the label of traitor and malcontent in the eyes of those not willing to think deeply enough into the problem to see the ugly baby for what it is. You CANNOT arbitrarily set a standard and say "this is it." You have to have a reasonable chance of actually attaining that standard for it to apply, but the current configuration in Athens couldn't hit a NC with the soles of their feet if it covered the floor. And yet, the current configuration is allowed to persist.
Low standards.

Not much to this conversaton, just another reason that some of the old folks harbor hard feelings.

1942 Ohio St. 9-1-0 Paul Brown
Georgia 11-1-0 Wally Butts


1946 Notre Dame 8-0-1 Frank Leahy
Georgia 11-0-0 Wally Butts

Just another reason that those of us in the South had a belly full of the voting coming out of the populated Northeast. What you folks think now, 5 for the SEC.

We did get another shot at ND.

Game 12: Georgia 17, Notre Dame 10
Jan. 1, 1981
The Sugar Bowl
The Superdome,
New Orleans

In the 89 years of Georgia football leading up the first day of 1981, the program had a grand total of zero undefeated, consensus national championship teams to show for its efforts. (The Bulldogs also had national championship seasons in 1946, '42 and '27. But the only undefeated season among those three came with the team's 11-0 record in 1946 and the Bulldogs were not the consensus national championships that year.)

Even today the National Championship is a mythical title, but even more-so back "in the day".

We all know what the real goals of the program are... Win the SEC and beat Tech.

I would put beating UF above beating Tech.