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AllDawgs5 wrote: Mike, I agree with a lot of what you have said, however I do not agree with that last post. Richt tries to pound the rock. UGA has run the football just as many times per game as anyone else in this league. I think he runs a pro-style offense which wants to set up the passing game by running. Hence, the constant play action passes. ( I will note that you have to actually establish a consistant running game before they work:laugh: )

Richt has the biggest OL in the nation at any level. He wants big lineman. I thought we were very close to seeing an elite SEC offense in the ut game. take bama and lsu for instance. Yes, the pound the rock, and pound the rock. Then go for the homerun. I saw that Sat night. Only problem is, we didn't hit ours. Watch the lsu/fla game if you haven't. fu wanted to crowd line of scrimmage, lee threw the deep ball for a quick score. That gets in d coordinators heads. Now, they are guessing. You have to hit the deep ball.

I will also say this about CMR, quite a few of his losses have had nothing to do with a lack of offense. Maybe lack of keeping the football, but the offense was moving the ball extremely well. Defense is where it starts in this league, and ours is getting pretty dang close to being at that level.

GO DAWGS

Hear what you're saying AD5 and I agree about the pro-style offense, in theory. But let me ask you this...where's the disconnect? By that I mean, what Richt WANTS to do on the field and what really HAPPENS on the field. Seems that the truly "elite" teams in the SEC (or at least the top 3 or 4 in any given season) have a workhorse in the backfield that they lean on. We've had some workhorse "like" RB's in the past, but other than Knowshon, I don't think we've had a 1,000+ yard rusher in any season since Musa in '02. Just seems like we have a constant revolving door of incredible RB talent come through Athens that never fully live up to hype/potential.

Maybe I'm biased and it's all in my head, but when I watch an Alabama offense, or an LSU offense, or even a SC offense with Lattimore, I see something much different than what I see from our offense. We establish the run when the other team allows us to. LSU, Alabama...they establish the run whenever the hell they feel like it.

Mike Honcho wrote:

AllDawgs5 wrote: Mike, I agree with a lot of what you have said, however I do not agree with that last post. Richt tries to pound the rock. UGA has run the football just as many times per game as anyone else in this league. I think he runs a pro-style offense which wants to set up the passing game by running. Hence, the constant play action passes. ( I will note that you have to actually establish a consistant running game before they work:laugh: )

Richt has the biggest OL in the nation at any level. He wants big lineman. I thought we were very close to seeing an elite SEC offense in the ut game. take bama and lsu for instance. Yes, the pound the rock, and pound the rock. Then go for the homerun. I saw that Sat night. Only problem is, we didn't hit ours. Watch the lsu/fla game if you haven't. fu wanted to crowd line of scrimmage, lee threw the deep ball for a quick score. That gets in d coordinators heads. Now, they are guessing. You have to hit the deep ball.

I will also say this about CMR, quite a few of his losses have had nothing to do with a lack of offense. Maybe lack of keeping the football, but the offense was moving the ball extremely well. Defense is where it starts in this league, and ours is getting pretty dang close to being at that level.

GO DAWGS

Hear what you're saying AD5 and I agree about the pro-style offense, in theory. But let me ask you this...where's the disconnect? By that I mean, what Richt WANTS to do on the field and what really HAPPENS on the field. Seems that the truly "elite" teams in the SEC (or at least the top 3 or 4 in any given season) have a workhorse in the backfield that they lean on. We've had some workhorse "like" RB's in the past, but other than Knowshon, I don't think we've had a 1,000+ yard rusher in any season since Musa in '02. Just seems like we have a constant revolving door of incredible RB talent come through Athens that never fully live up to hype/potential.

Maybe I'm biased and it's all in my head, but when I watch an Alabama offense, or an LSU offense, or even a SC offense with Lattimore, I see something much different than what I see from our offense. We establish the run when the other team allows us to. LSU, Alabama...they establish the run whenever the hell they feel like it.

Mike, one of the best posts I have read on this board in a long time. No it is not in your head about the way Alabama or LSU run their programs.

Think it was duck that said sometime back, why are we losing all of these players to Bama, Auburn and LSU, not to mention UF. The answer is actually simple, they win football games. Why? If anyone on this board agrees or disagrees, put it up for all to see and give answers to that question. Coaching, experienced coaching, with a track record. My opinion.

McGarity came out and said, get your noses out of the air, this season is not over. Paraphrasing what he said. Folks, McGarity stepped up big time, some will recognize how much that means to UGA football down the road. It was simply a time for someone in "authority" to step up and say, time to look at the program at the END OF THE YEAR, and then we will know more.

Buc wrote:

Mike Honcho wrote:

AllDawgs5 wrote: Mike, I agree with a lot of what you have said, however I do not agree with that last post. Richt tries to pound the rock. UGA has run the football just as many times per game as anyone else in this league. I think he runs a pro-style offense which wants to set up the passing game by running. Hence, the constant play action passes. ( I will note that you have to actually establish a consistant running game before they work:laugh: )

Richt has the biggest OL in the nation at any level. He wants big lineman. I thought we were very close to seeing an elite SEC offense in the ut game. take bama and lsu for instance. Yes, the pound the rock, and pound the rock. Then go for the homerun. I saw that Sat night. Only problem is, we didn't hit ours. Watch the lsu/fla game if you haven't. fu wanted to crowd line of scrimmage, lee threw the deep ball for a quick score. That gets in d coordinators heads. Now, they are guessing. You have to hit the deep ball.

I will also say this about CMR, quite a few of his losses have had nothing to do with a lack of offense. Maybe lack of keeping the football, but the offense was moving the ball extremely well. Defense is where it starts in this league, and ours is getting pretty dang close to being at that level.

GO DAWGS

Hear what you're saying AD5 and I agree about the pro-style offense, in theory. But let me ask you this...where's the disconnect? By that I mean, what Richt WANTS to do on the field and what really HAPPENS on the field. Seems that the truly "elite" teams in the SEC (or at least the top 3 or 4 in any given season) have a workhorse in the backfield that they lean on. We've had some workhorse "like" RB's in the past, but other than Knowshon, I don't think we've had a 1,000+ yard rusher in any season since Musa in '02. Just seems like we have a constant revolving door of incredible RB talent come through Athens that never fully live up to hype/potential.

Maybe I'm biased and it's all in my head, but when I watch an Alabama offense, or an LSU offense, or even a SC offense with Lattimore, I see something much different than what I see from our offense. We establish the run when the other team allows us to. LSU, Alabama...they establish the run whenever the hell they feel like it.

Mike, one of the best posts I have read on this board in a long time. No it is not in your head about the way Alabama or LSU run their programs.

Think it was duck that said sometime back, why are we losing all of these players to Bama, Auburn and LSU, not to mention UF. The answer is actually simple, they win football games. Why? If anyone on this board agrees or disagrees, put it up for all to see and give answers to that question. Coaching, experienced coaching, with a track record. My opinion.

McGarity came out and said, get your noses out of the air, this season is not over. Paraphrasing what he said. Folks, McGarity stepped up big time, some will recognize how much that means to UGA football down the road. It was simply a time for someone in "authority" to step up and say, time to look at the program at the END OF THE YEAR, and then we will know more.

Thanks Buc, and couldn't agree more...something happens once and it's an aberration...twice or more and it's a trend. The trend, unless I'm missing something, with CMR-coached teams has been:

Step 1. Recruit great talent
Step 2. Allow coaching staff to "coach up" said talent
Step 3. Watch talent underperform on the field.

The best team we've had in a while, from a pure talent standpoint, was Stafford and Moreno's last year between the hedges. We came in ranked 1st with (arguably) the best offensive backfield in the country and proceeded to go 10-3. Not a bad record, right? It is when you have the talent mentioned above and when you look a little deeper and realize the 3 losses were to the only ranked teams we played that season (minus Michigan State in the bowl game.)

Hate to sound like I'm piling on in the middle of a 4-game winning streak, I just feel strongly about being in this "trend" and breaking out of it as soon as possible. Until I see DRASTIC changes in on-field performance and outcomes, I'll continue to believe that we recruit exceptional talent that happens to perform well in spite of it's coaches. Drastic changes were made two years ago on the defensive side of the coaching staff...still think it's time to see the same on the other side of the ball.

Mike you are totally on point with your statement of needing a helping hand on the offensive side of the ball. We can point to the offensive line and many of us are at this point. Truth be told, these are the players that were recruited to wear the Red and Black.

Some like to point to injuries, every team has injuries. Not a single team in the SEC plays through a full schedule without some of their better players getting hurt.

Agree with your point on coaching. Grantham loses some seriously good players, what does he say at his pressers. Next man up. Also feel that Lakatos has built a fire under Rambo's butt. Another year under Lakatos and Grantham, this defense could play lights out . . . . against a TOUGHER SCHEDULE.

The schedule we had this year was a blessing in disguise. Gave the players time to learn their jobs in what is known as "on the job training". Not the toughest competition thus far (except one) but those "walk throughs" mean a lot on game day just as they do in practice. Boise State in the opener let us know that there was a lot to be done. Appears that these young men are catching on.

Mike Honcho wrote:

AllDawgs5 wrote: Mike, I agree with a lot of what you have said, however I do not agree with that last post. Richt tries to pound the rock. UGA has run the football just as many times per game as anyone else in this league. I think he runs a pro-style offense which wants to set up the passing game by running. Hence, the constant play action passes. ( I will note that you have to actually establish a consistant running game before they work:laugh: )

Richt has the biggest OL in the nation at any level. He wants big lineman. I thought we were very close to seeing an elite SEC offense in the ut game. take bama and lsu for instance. Yes, the pound the rock, and pound the rock. Then go for the homerun. I saw that Sat night. Only problem is, we didn't hit ours. Watch the lsu/fla game if you haven't. fu wanted to crowd line of scrimmage, lee threw the deep ball for a quick score. That gets in d coordinators heads. Now, they are guessing. You have to hit the deep ball.

I will also say this about CMR, quite a few of his losses have had nothing to do with a lack of offense. Maybe lack of keeping the football, but the offense was moving the ball extremely well. Defense is where it starts in this league, and ours is getting pretty dang close to being at that level.

GO DAWGS

Hear what you're saying AD5 and I agree about the pro-style offense, in theory. But let me ask you this...where's the disconnect? By that I mean, what Richt WANTS to do on the field and what really HAPPENS on the field. Seems that the truly "elite" teams in the SEC (or at least the top 3 or 4 in any given season) have a workhorse in the backfield that they lean on. We've had some workhorse "like" RB's in the past, but other than Knowshon, I don't think we've had a 1,000+ yard rusher in any season since Musa in '02. Just seems like we have a constant revolving door of incredible RB talent come through Athens that never fully live up to hype/potential.

Maybe I'm biased and it's all in my head, but when I watch an Alabama offense, or an LSU offense, or even a SC offense with Lattimore, I see something much different than what I see from our offense. We establish the run when the other team allows us to. LSU, Alabama...they establish the run whenever the hell they feel like it.

Geez....simple answer (we've beaten to death)....they have GOOD OL's !!!!

NC_Dawg wrote: I suspect Murray will NOT go via the draft like Stafford. Moreso, I believe Murray is more apt to follow Greene and not find much, if any success at the NFL level! That being said, why NOT begin to work with the existing talent, beyond that which is afforded during practice?

1. Murray will play all 4 years


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