Win or Lose - Our Head Coach and OC Suck.

Wartdawg wrote: I actually didn't mind us taking the knee at the end of the game. I think it would have been
foolish to do otherwise. Turn it over, and MS is on our side of the field with a chance
to win the game.

What I minded most was in overtime when we intercepted, and all we had to do was score to
win. In that situation... knowing how badly Walsh has been this season, we don't even
attempt to move the ball... we run two plays (first play with our 170lb RB), lose 3 yards
and then send in Walsh to attempt a 42 yarder.

I guess it's kinda hard for me to understand how you agree with one and not the other. Both are playing not to lose, and both are telling your offensive players "I have no faith that you can win this game, so I'm going to puss out and hope for the best".
Well, that's what happens. You lose. More often than not, playing not to lose causes you to lose. No killer instinct or desire to try to win games from the coaching staff will doom us to the 2nd tier of the SEC for years to come.

Wartdawg wrote:

All that beef... and this was the result? So... is it going to take
NFL caliber talent at all 5 spots for us to be able to field a OL you could call
decent??

I think I have said this previously. Friend came at a time when we were coming off of a 6-7 season. A season that promised nothing for the offensive line in the coming year. 0-2 against some pretty good talent from the beginning. Folks on this board and others were all in the same mind set. Offensive line was going to be our major problem for 2011.

Cordy moves from guard to tackle and we have Ben at center. Justin had been tossed around, back and forth like a 340 pound rag doll. Cordy will play guard in the NFL, not a NFL caliber left tackle. If Justin sticks in the NFL, he will also be a guard. Ben has the body to play center, he is probably a 4th round draft choice.

So I see the question was whether we need NFL caliber talent at all of the offensive spots. The answer to that question from where I sit . . . . YES. Why? Because we have an offensive coordinator that is secure in his job because someone above him is clearing space for him. Most of us are creatures of habit, Bobo and Richt have some dumb a-- habits. Habits that have all of us here explaining how the team could improve. Richt said it and I guess some believe it . . . we have never competed in the arena, so what do we know. I have watched this team longer than Richt has been on the face of Earth. I am not impressed with his leadership. Believe him to be in the "wrong calling". That is not ugly, I am a God fearing man, and I believe Richt would be a GREAT HEAD COACH IN A FIELD NOT CONNECTED TO UGA FOOTBALL. Sorry about shouting, I have been around too long and recognize potential. Richt will probably win 10 football games next season, he probably won't make it to a top tier bowl.

Just my opinion. . . . .

It would definitely be Bobo.

Maybe you're right about Friend, but it's not just size I'm talking about...

TE on the line is a true NFL prospect. He also blocks..part of the position. LT will be one of the top linemen picked in the NFL draft. Center.. people were incensed he wasn't first team All American. Now let's look at our RT.. Mr. Justin Anderson:

"Fast-forward to Monday’s Outback Bowl game against Michigan State, Anderson will start his 14th game at right tackle. Beyond that, he’s expected to continue his career in the NFL.

“He plays hard every week. He practices hard. He’s been a joy to coach,” Friend said of the player friends and family call “Bean.”He’s a dang good football player."


All that, and our O-line was still terrible. NFL prospects at both tackle spots, including
one named Anderson, not Glenn, that Friend is quoted as saying is "a dang good football player".

I'll admit I might be throwing the baby out with the rancid bath water regarding Friend,
but something is dreadfully wrong. What I am getting at here is Friend may be the best
thing since sliced bread, but will it ever mean anything with Bobo driving the bus?

Buc wrote: Wartdawg wrote:

All that beef... and this was the result? So... is it going to take
NFL caliber talent at all 5 spots for us to be able to field a OL you could call
decent??

I think I have said this previously. Friend came at a time when we were coming off of a 6-7 season. A season that promised nothing for the offensive line in the coming year. 0-2 against some pretty good talent from the beginning. Folks on this board and others were all in the same mind set. Offensive line was going to be our major problem for 2011.

Cordy moves from guard to tackle and we have Ben at center. Justin had been tossed around, back and forth like a 340 pound rag doll. Cordy will play guard in the NFL, not a NFL caliber left tackle. If Justin sticks in the NFL, he will also be a guard. Ben has the body to play center, he is probably a 4th round draft choice.

So I see the question was whether we need NFL caliber talent at all of the offensive spots. The answer to that question from where I sit . . . . YES. Why? Because we have an offensive coordinator that is secure in his job because someone above him is clearing space for him. Most of us are creatures of habit, Bobo and Richt have some dumb a-- habits. Habits that have all of us here explaining how the team could improve. Richt said it and I guess some believe it . . . we have never competed in the arena, so what do we know. I have watched this team longer than Richt has been on the face of Earth. I am not impressed with his leadership. Believe him to be in the "wrong calling". That is not ugly, I am a God fearing man, and I believe Richt would be a GREAT HEAD COACH IN A FIELD NOT CONNECTED TO UGA FOOTBALL. Sorry about shouting, I have been around too long and recognize potential. Richt will probably win 10 football games next season, he probably won't make it to a top tier bowl.

Just my opinion. . . . .

Fair enough Buc... fair enough.

I just don't have any faith in our offense as a whole with Bobo on the staff, and I'm
not sure Friend is going to be able to make a difference. I'm not counting on it as
much as some have been. Maybe it's just true that no O-line coach in the world is
going to be able to do much when our game plans and play calling are so terrible.

I am pissed about what happened. We should have never lost the game, but comparing this loss to last year's isn't even close IMHO. MSU was a very good football team. CMR gave the boys up front a chance early, it made no difference. Man vs man. All coaching out of it, and MSU stuffed it. Ripped the coaches as bad as any. I cannot understand why we continued to try to run the football up the middle. I can't. I also can't understand how we cant cover the middle of the field, or how the same ole routes are eating us alive. I can't understand how Murray hasn't learned how his turnovers can just crush a team. Especially when the other team is constantly scoring points off of them.

Can constantly blame coaching if we want, but weird how others have been successful under the coaches? Wonder what read David Green would have made? Wonder what happens if we don't throw that one football to the flat. Funny how one play can change a game. And to think it would come on the easiest read passing play there is, with a corner that never took one step back. No bluff or anything. I truly just can't get over that throw. Corner squats, throw it deep. I can only imagine how many times a coach as said that. I am still just totally dumbfounded by that throw. Imagine if we make the right read there, and hit the vertical down the sideline for a td. Wonder what happens then? This is where is comes to players making plays.

Been times where I have just wanted a total overhaul of all our coaches. Now, is oddly enough not one of them. Call me a sunshine pumper all you want. Guess I just figure each man has a job to do. It about time some of our boys started maning up. Only problem I have with the coaches, is continuing to give the same kids chances. If they cannot learn from their mistakes, park their arses on the bench.

sadlerdawg wrote:
I guess it's kinda hard for me to understand how you agree with one and not the other. Both are playing not to lose, and both are telling your offensive players "I have no faith that you can win this game, so I'm going to puss out and hope for the best".
Well, that's what happens. You lose. More often than not, playing not to lose causes you to lose. No killer instinct or desire to try to win games from the coaching staff will doom us to the 2nd tier of the SEC for years to come.

Time on the clock makes a big difference.

It's one thing to do something in overtime with no time constraints and you can run, pass
short or long, and the whole play book is open to you compared to trying to move it
30-40+ yards with seconds remaining and the D pretty much knows you have to try and
get the ball way down field.