Can't look past New Mexico State now...

A great point thriller and why I posed the question to the folks here.

I played a sport collegiately and we were punished as a team when some one screwed up. I remember running suicides on a soccer field for almost two hours one morning before getting on a bus to go play a game that evening:sick: because our starting Goal Keeper decided to get hammered the night before. We had to run until he decided to show his @$$ up to get on the bus.

From an accountability standpoint I can assure you he never did that again. Sometimes lessons learned from your peers are more harsh than from your leaders.

thriller wrote:

Besides, if you suspend a player, are YOU the one punishing the team, or is HE the one punishing the team? Just askin'

Kid came to Athens, had a run in right away with JTII. This is the third time (that we know of) that IC has been disciplined. Then I read where he will learn from this last run in with RULES. Took three times for the message to get through. If there is a light bulb, someone stand up and pull the switch.

stanger is very close to this team, would invite anyone to go back and read his post. Don't think it was just maddness he was feeling, think it was being betrayed. I feel the same way. What an excited board this was when we landed IC, as it should be.

Now he decides that he will play by his rules, sorry, can't buy into that way of thinking. One game suspension, the policy must have changed at UGA if we are talking about drugs. At one point that was not the case. Will go back and dig some things up.

DawgnLA, glad you had that experience - it made you better. Good point!

"When one goes astray, we all must pay!"

-Gunnery Sergeant B., United States Marine Corps.

Looks like I've lost this debate. Just call me Rick Perry.

thriller wrote: Why punish the rest of the team? Because they ARE a team. Unfortunately the actions of a single player influence those of the entire unit. I was in the Navy a quarter of a century ago, and had a Marine Corp Drill Instructor who drilled that fact into our little skulls-full-of-mush.

Man, I'm gettin' old.

Besides, if you suspend a player, are YOU the one punishing the team, or is HE the one punishing the team? Just askin'.

Agreed...


.. and if you "punish" the team to use that phraseology, then just like military boot camp you
find that the rest of the team will take on a larger role of policing their own. I think Buc
referred to it as the shower treatment. While not to that extreme, there is something to be
said for shared responsibility for anything you care to call a "team". Would I have suspended
them for UF if the test results were in before that game? Hell yes I would have.. in a New York
minute. I know we desperately want to win football games, and our players want to be winners.
There are lessons here to be learned that might require short term pain for long term gain in
terms of turning out "winners".

Now personally, I don't think I am ready to kick anyone to the curb. I assume the guidelines
are pretty much set internally, and if those guidelines say this is a one game suspension
then so be it. It will be a one game suspension served and move on. I would note however
that these kids apparently need a leash, and some of them are just about at the end of it.

On a grander scheme.. I want my Dogs to recruit players of a high moral character. That doesn't
mean I expect to have a team of little Richt missionaries, nor do I even expect to never
have issues with behavior from 18-21 year olds. What I do however expect is a level of
commitment to a team concept, and these players have not demonstrated that with their selfish
actions that affect the team to which they are supposedly committed.

southernlover wrote: Looks like I've lost this debate. Just call me Rick Perry.

Now that's funny, don't care what anyone says.

You said what you were feeling southernlover, three cheers for that. A wimp you ain't.