M&M, ESPN, "Greeny" -- Wow, Just Wow!

scooby wrote: Hey Buc, Would Kirby have allowed FB to transfer to CSU? Its kind of the same issue. Seemed like the best thing for FB, so no biggy imho.

I believe the NCAA should take this decision away from the schools. If the coach resigns or gets canned, give the kids a "do over" of their choice. As has been discussed, the coaches can go where/when ever they want, why not players? Make it the same for all schools, whatever it is...

Scooby, you asked if Faton Bauta would be allowed to go with Mike Bobo if Smart had been coach. Do I really need to answer that question or . . . . do all of us understand what Kirby Smart said? Do all of us understand that the SEC Universities have "different rules"?

Example . . . . If a young pup or football player is "enjoying" a blunt, what university determines the "end result" . . . . are the rules "for ALL" the same? Think about that, more than willing to discuss.

As far as the NCAA making the rules? Tell me and others that is a "serious thought". Not mocking you, just asking.

Many "liberals" believe that the "higher power" should set the "tone" for everyone.

Understand that you want to be a part of the conversation, and believe this or not, and check back from the first post you made on Dawgs.com . . . . Buc and others said welcome aboard. Do not mistake good feelings for a lack of "understanding" . . . . my friend.

I know that you like to play on the edges . . . . so do I . . . . This board is a bit different . . . . why do I say that . . . . because YOU and I return.

Interesting read below.

What I get from the article is the same that has crossed the "football world" for a long time.

They did this, why can't I do the same? NCAA has a "cure" . . . . right?

Anyone that believes that a "top heavy group" such as the NCAA can change what is going on in College Football, we are on different pages. Reflect back to the "U" and their problems, meaning the NCAA's problems with "Leadership" and the supposed case(s) against Miami. NCAA total failure. Will post some of that if asked to.

Never, ever do "I" forget that Disney is involved with doing what? Making money? That is what pays "Greenies" weekly wages. Do we shove that aside and listen to those that want to tell you and I how college football should be handled?

If so, what would the after effects be? Would Mike Greenberg do anything differently? Mike Golic, bless his heart, stumbled on to a money making venture. Anyone think that either of the two would have walked away from what anything M&M had to say at the beginning? Cash register continues to ring.

So, Greeny/Greenie is going to talk about the millions of dollars that coaches make . . . . Are you "Greenie/Greeny" serious? Would either of you like to or would you "disclose" your earnings at ESPN?

At some point "I" will "disclose" the "many" pieces of BS that both of you have made. Remember this, we don't save old newspaper clippings anymore, we are now in a different age, and the two of you should do this . . . . STOP, LOOK and LISTEN. So much in the vault, step carefully, the coals get "hotter" as we move forward.

Go Dawgs, Kirby Smart never doubt those that appreciate what some of us are very careful to say . . . . We are not "Bleeding Hearts". We have had "enough" of the F'ing BS that "big money produces". Does that label stick Mike and Mike? If not, you are simple pieces of spit.

Will this go away, only when ESPN speaks to Mike and Mike and say, the battle has to stop . . . .

www.dawgnation.com/football/kirby-smart-...ybody-else-transfers

scooby wrote:
Hey Buc, Would Kirby have allowed FB to transfer to CSU? Its kind of the same issue. Seemed like the best thing for FB, so no biggy imho.

I believe the NCAA should take this decision away from the schools. If the coach resigns or gets canned, give the kids a "do over" of their choice. As has been discussed, the coaches can go where/when ever they want, why not players? Make it the same for all schools, whatever it is...

Scooby, went back to the above, could not get it out of my mind. I really like finality.

Allow me this . . . . Coaches are questioned about the money they are making in todays time. M&M big point.

Any person that has been around Dawgs.com for a length of time has heard or read the following . . . .

Should players be paid?

What prevents players from being paid large sums of money while in college? Questions that "I" ask myself. Why should Athletic Directors make a half million dollars or more because they "make the right decision" on a head football coach.

Allow me to answer that . . . .

The perfect example is Nick Saban making 7 or so million from UA every year . . . . at this point.

What was the return to the UA? Think these numbers are right, can be corrected . . . . bottom line for the 7 or so million dollars on the plus side of the ledger came to over 50 million because of the Saban hire. What the "F" not?

Trying to get to this . . . .

ESPN likes returns on investment like the Alabama investment. Would you or I in a venture like to see the same returns?

Simple thing for those that "think" they know . . . . College Football is a huge "BUSINESS". Believe differently, we are on separate pages.

Here is the BIG QUESTION . . . .

If you are a university that wants to make change, change meaning money, why would you not follow an "applied principle" like the one that Alabama Football did when hiring Nick Saban?

As an investor, I am investing in Smart and Company, much like the football folks did in Alabama with Saban and Company, of which Smart was the most trusted member of Nick Saban charge to the front.

sadlerdawg and some others said this back 5 or more years . . . . No more money given to Athens until . . . . Maybe until what happened when Smart and Company signed on. Plus for McGarity. Still keep my eyes and ears open on our Athletic Director.

Stick that up your dark side M&M.

Posted a time or two to the members on Dawgs.com . . . . I am a believer in the change. Smart and Company are now in charge. Carney is gone. Long overdue.

Go Dawgs

Yes Buc, my till is open to Athens again, starting with the G-day game

Buc, you said a lot of things and I will give my opinion on the topics...

If a coach leaves a university, I believe the players should be able to transfer to the school of their choice. As I type this im not sure what to think about what should happen if an assistant leaves. If I understand the rule correctly, they can go where ever they want if they pay their on way the first year. This is not a big issue for me one way or the other. The first time I heard about it was when the qb left Florida this year and I was reading they wouldn't let him transfer to an sec school.

I was kinda poking when I asked about FB. But I really don't see a difference in a player leaving to go to Miami or CSU. Neither are schools that uga will play, and guys would be going to the schools to be with their old coaches.

Doesn't matter to me if someone smokes dope as long as they are doing it on their time, and not driving a vehicle. This includes a working man or student. I am not a dope smoker either, just looking at this from this being a free country.

The NCAA is really not necessary for any reason other than keeping some semblance of student athletes on the teams. They have rules for what players SAT scores and hs GPA must be to qualify. Also rules about what GPA you have to maintain to stay eligible. We know the universities lower their standards to the NCAA minimum, so im sure they would go even lower. So, not sure why its crazy to think the NCAA adding rules about transfer would be so bad.

College football and basketball are of course big business. I have other thoughts on this but decided to keep them to myself.

The day they start paying players will be the day I no longer watch... I don't watch near as much BB as I used to. The one and done, done me in.

Scooby,

While I often don't agree with you on the finer points of certain topics, let me say a couple of things, I think we find at least some common ground here.

I understand where you're coming from, and at the risk of bordering into politics, if the NCAA is going to control everything from top to bottom, then it might as well federalize everything, disband the conference structure, and take all control away from the schools themselves.

I have no problem whatsoever with Kirby's position, and so long as schools are allowed to write their own terms and conditions of scholarship offers, then I think it's pretty much case closed. Schools are going to protect their interests, because as you rightly point out, college athletics (particularly football) is one massive business. And business interests must be protected. You mention the day they start paying players you'll stop watching, well that's already happening in the form of player stipends. And guess what? Schools get to set their own stipend amounts, so that has become a recruiting tactic as well. This is why Brett Bielema was bragging about them paying more in player stipends than Auburn does and admitting he uses it as a recruiting tool.

As far as the M&M show, those guys are largely paid to hear themselves talk and form an opinion. If they want to hyperventilate about how Georgia goes about its business, then that's their business. But the fact is that Kirby is only doing what so many other schools do and protecting their interests.