Apologies from a Richt apologist

Buc wrote: wlayton, I respect the comments in message #4 in this thread. This is probably not the time and place to go into a long discussion about Jon Gruden on my part. Was heavily involved with Tampa Bay and know things that many don't see or hear when watching Gruden in his present position.

I will say this and at some point if there is enough interest will elaborate. Jon Gruden is a great believer in quarterbacks, can never have enough of them. He fails miserably when it comes to judging talent and drafting talent along the offensive and defensive lines. Jon Gruden is a lot like Gene Chizik, meaning . . . . he is an opportunist. His language and off field after hours conduct makes some of these young UGA pups disgressions look like child's play.

Jon Gruden did come to Tampa and take over from Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy could not get the offensive side moving, Jon Gruden did. After winning the Super Bowl against the team that he had previously been the head coach (Oakland) he went down hill. There are many reasons that Gruden lost his job in Tampa.

The group of players that were the strength of that Super Bowl team were brought in by Sam Wyche. Brooks, Sapp and Lynch. Sam was born in Atlanta, Georgia, played football at Furman University, quarterbacked the team. Dungy took the team over from Wyche and the heads began to roll.

Said I was not going to be long. What you see above is not long compared to what could be said. My vote, respectfully, does not include Jon Gruden Head Coach UGA. My donations would stop instantly if he were given the job.

Not enough money in the UGA system to lure Jon Gruden. Short man with a huge ego complex. I will stop.

And he said that Bobo is a great OC and that Tony Romo is the most dazzling playmaking QB in all of football....

I think his football knowledge may be lessening of late.

ogredawg wrote: I have always liked Mike Gundy. But I doubt he would leave Okie State........

ogredawg, Mike Gundy is a serious players coach and it would be difficult to get Mike to leave T. Boone Pickens. By the way, I am a member of the T. Boone Pickens Army. Fracking and Natural Gas.

I would walk down that path with you to retain Gundy's services . . . . (if we could not get Kirby Smart).

wlayton wrote:

Wartdawg wrote:

wlayton wrote:

Wartdawg wrote:

Buc wrote:
Many bloggers are posting that losing Richt, we lose an outstanding recruiter. I don't disagree with that. My main gripe is what happens to the young men AFTER they have signed on with UGA. At some point recruiting takes a back seat to coaching.

A recruiter of what? Players that are guaranteed to lay an egg every time they are on a
big stage? Players that will go on to NFL stardom but underachieve while they are here?

What good has all of our recruiting done for us?

WD......everybody else wanted 90% of our signee's as well. BAMA, LSU, UF, USC, everybody. Now once they hit the campus...........?

Well my point: It doesn't matter if once they get here they are going to be coached down and under-achieve. So his recruiting ability means little.

Get your point but as a recruiter in and of itself, he's very good.

Never said he wasn't. I said "what good has it done us?"
Yes he is. Too bad he can't coach as well. I'll take a coach.

As long as we are speculating how about Dan Mullen. Got this off of Wickipedia. No disrespect to MSU, but don't think they have the talent UGA has. Seems they are doing about the same as we are now.

Mullen's first recruiting class at Mississippi State was ranked #19 in the nation by Scout.com.[5] and his 2012 recruiting class was ranked #18 in the nation.[6] In his first season as head coach at Mississippi State in 2009, his team went 5–7 against the toughest schedule in the nation [1]. In 2010, his Bulldog team went 9-4 overall and 4-4 in the SEC including victories over Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, and Mississippi, and the 4 losses came only to teams ranked in the Top 12. Mississippi State capped off the 2010 season by defeating traditional power Michigan in the 2011 Gator Bowl 52-14, and achieved a #15 ranking in the final AP poll. Mullen is now 3-0 versus in-state conference rival Ole Miss, after a 31-3 win on November 26, 2011.

Buc wrote: wlayton thanks for the come back. Did not mean to go as far as I did, it hit a nerve . . . you understand and that is appreciated.

wlayton, when those that watch him on the Battleship ESPN, they are seeing an offensive coach. When he came to Tampa Bay, some of the first words out of his mouth were to Defensive Coordinator Monte Kiffin.

Gruden said to Kiffin, "I don't care whether or not I am the Head Coach, you can be the Head Coach of the Defense and all I want to do is run the offense". Words aren't exact, they are damn close. At that time Kiffin was being interviewed by San Francisco for the head coaching job. Jon Gruden knew that he needed a superior defensive coach, and at that time, Monte Kiffin was that. Kiffin took from Dungy what at that time was not known as the "Tampa Two". Never doubt that Dungy was the man that started that defense and made it work. Kiffin groomed it and the rest is history.

Sorry, we all have likes and dislikes.

Believe me, I'm not a Gruden fan (like watching his expressions though). Mainly wanted everyone to see the stats he posted is what I was focusing on.

Wartdawg wrote:

wlayton wrote:

Wartdawg wrote:

wlayton wrote:

Wartdawg wrote:

Buc wrote:
Many bloggers are posting that losing Richt, we lose an outstanding recruiter. I don't disagree with that. My main gripe is what happens to the young men AFTER they have signed on with UGA. At some point recruiting takes a back seat to coaching.

A recruiter of what? Players that are guaranteed to lay an egg every time they are on a
big stage? Players that will go on to NFL stardom but underachieve while they are here?

What good has all of our recruiting done for us?

WD......everybody else wanted 90% of our signee's as well. BAMA, LSU, UF, USC, everybody. Now once they hit the campus...........?

Well my point: It doesn't matter if once they get here they are going to be coached down and under-achieve. So his recruiting ability means little.

Get your point but as a recruiter in and of itself, he's very good.

Never said he wasn't. I said "what good has it done us?"
Yes he is. Too bad he can't coach as well. I'll take a coach.

Not arguing with you WD, understand your point......you've played a lot of the game "last tag" in your life haven't you.....lol