Apologies from a Richt apologist

wlayton wrote:

Wartdawg wrote:

Buc wrote:
Many bloggers are posting that losing Richt, we lose an outstanding recruiter. I don't disagree with that. My main gripe is what happens to the young men AFTER they have signed on with UGA. At some point recruiting takes a back seat to coaching.

A recruiter of what? Players that are guaranteed to lay an egg every time they are on a
big stage? Players that will go on to NFL stardom but underachieve while they are here?

What good has all of our recruiting done for us?

WD......everybody else wanted 90% of our signee's as well. BAMA, LSU, UF, USC, everybody. Now once they hit the campus...........?

Well my point: It doesn't matter if once they get here they are going to be coached down and under-achieve. So his recruiting ability means little.

Wartdawg wrote:

wlayton wrote:

Wartdawg wrote:

Buc wrote:
Many bloggers are posting that losing Richt, we lose an outstanding recruiter. I don't disagree with that. My main gripe is what happens to the young men AFTER they have signed on with UGA. At some point recruiting takes a back seat to coaching.

A recruiter of what? Players that are guaranteed to lay an egg every time they are on a
big stage? Players that will go on to NFL stardom but underachieve while they are here?

What good has all of our recruiting done for us?

WD......everybody else wanted 90% of our signee's as well. BAMA, LSU, UF, USC, everybody. Now once they hit the campus...........?

Well my point: It doesn't matter if once they get here they are going to be coached down and under-achieve. So his recruiting ability means little.

Get your point but as a recruiter in and of itself, he's very good.

wlayton, I respect the comments in message #4 in this thread. This is probably not the time and place to go into a long discussion about Jon Gruden on my part. Was heavily involved with Tampa Bay and know things that many don't see or hear when watching Gruden in his present position.

I will say this and at some point if there is enough interest will elaborate. Jon Gruden is a great believer in quarterbacks, can never have enough of them. He fails miserably when it comes to judging talent and drafting talent along the offensive and defensive lines. Jon Gruden is a lot like Gene Chizik, meaning . . . . he is an opportunist. His language and off field after hours conduct makes some of these young UGA pups disgressions look like child's play.

Jon Gruden did come to Tampa and take over from Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy could not get the offensive side moving, Jon Gruden did. After winning the Super Bowl against the team that he had previously been the head coach (Oakland) he went down hill. There are many reasons that Gruden lost his job in Tampa.

The group of players that were the strength of that Super Bowl team were brought in by Sam Wyche. Brooks, Sapp and Lynch. Sam was born in Atlanta, Georgia, played football at Furman University, quarterbacked the team. Dungy took the team over from Wyche and the heads began to roll.

Said I was not going to be long. What you see above is not long compared to what could be said. My vote, respectfully, does not include Jon Gruden Head Coach UGA. My donations would stop instantly if he were given the job.

Not enough money in the UGA system to lure Jon Gruden. Short man with a huge ego complex. I will stop.

Buc wrote: wlayton, I respect the comments in message #4 in this thread. This is probably not the time and place to go into a long discussion about Jon Gruden on my part. Was heavily involved with Tampa Bay and know things that many don't see or hear when watching Gruden in his present position.

I will say this and at some point if there is enough interest will elaborate. Jon Gruden is a great believer in quarterbacks, can never have enough of them. He fails miserably when it comes to judging talent and drafting talent along the offensive and defensive lines. Jon Gruden is a lot like Gene Chizik, meaning . . . . he is an opportunist. His language and off field after hours conduct makes some of these young UGA pups disgressions look like child's play.

Jon Gruden did come to Tampa and take over from Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy could not get the offensive side moving, Jon Gruden did. After winning the Super Bowl against the team that he had previously been the head coach (Oakland) he went down hill. There are many reasons that Gruden lost his job in Tampa.

The group of players that were the strength of that Super Bowl team were brought in by Sam Wyche. Brooks, Sapp and Lynch. Sam was born in Atlanta, Georgia, played football at Furman University, quarterbacked the team. Dungy took the team over from Wyche and the heads began to roll.

Said I was not going to be long. What you see above is not long compared to what could be said. My vote, respectfully, does not include Jon Gruden Head Coach UGA. My donations would stop instantly if he were given the job.

Not enough money in the UGA system to lure Jon Gruden. Short man with a huge complex. I will stop.

Thanks for the info Buc, I will enlighten my friend. I personally have never seen much in Gruden that "others" have seen.......something about him I could never put my finger on that bothered me. Certainly want a good example for the face of the school and for the players to relate to.

Just being charismatic isn't always a good thing.


(those stats on Ga. recruits is very bothersome)

I have always liked Mike Gundy. But I doubt he would leave Okie State........

wlayton thanks for the come back. Did not mean to go as far as I did, it hit a nerve . . . you understand and that is appreciated.

wlayton, when those that watch him on the Battleship ESPN, they are seeing an offensive coach. When he came to Tampa Bay, some of the first words out of his mouth were to Defensive Coordinator Monte Kiffin.

Gruden said to Kiffin, "I don't care whether or not I am the Head Coach, you can be the Head Coach of the Defense and all I want to do is run the offense". Words aren't exact, they are damn close. At that time Kiffin was being interviewed by San Francisco for the head coaching job. Jon Gruden knew that he needed a superior defensive coach, and at that time, Monte Kiffin was that. Kiffin took from Dungy what at that time was not known as the "Tampa Two". Never doubt that Dungy was the man that started that defense and made it work. Kiffin groomed it and the rest is history.

Sorry, we all have likes and dislikes.