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11 years 1 month ago #54405 by yankeedawg1
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Good Morning Evening,

Just going to toss this out not sure there is a single answer

Maybe several are correct

Much said last week and during and after the game about
the possible need for CTG to dumb down his defenses as they might
be too complex for young college players to execute at game speed

Seem like a fair enough question based on what we have seen in the first four games

The question is it the complexity of his system or is just youth and inexperience that is showing up as assignment confusion and poor stats on defense?

John Chavis has been a DC in the SEC for years and has enjoyed a measure of success

Both he and his young defense looked as lost as we did and his stats were horrible as was ours

Be interesting if any questions of his level of his scheme’s difficulty come about

Of note we did stop ZM on the last drive to save the “W”

Some here have made reference to CTG’s NFL experience as the problem.

No question that he has had to learn the college game all over again from his first tour. Like his players he too has a learning curve yes it has
been four years there are those who would feel that has been long enough

I do know that a big part of CTG’s coaching calls for position depth

Not just bodies but highly skilled players

As we have come to know Next Man Up-much progress has been done with this issue with more quality depth coming in the 2014 class

I am not on a mission to defend CTG my goal was only seek a better
handle on what could be gained by going to a dumber “D”

It took AM four years and hours of work before he gained the much deserved recognition

8 games left in the season let it play out

This group of puppies don’t quit have played 3 top 10 teams and
did not run out of gas- thanks Father Joe and your staff

Need to keep the pedal down in Knoxville-hate urange

Enjoy the week Go Dawgs

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11 years 1 month ago #54406 by ogredawg
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I really don't know YD1. I just made the statement as a question. I don't know what else to think. The tide play the same type of D albeit not with a DC that has NFL experience like CTG does and with skill players similar to ours and they shut out a pretty good Ole Miss team. I just don't get it. Not saying our players are dumb........just that CTG's system may just be that hard to learn in 2-3 years as that is all he has with them as opposed to maybe 5,6 or 7 years with NFL players.

I really don't know.....but I cannot think of anything else it could be.....open to suggestions tho....

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11 years 1 month ago #54407 by thriller
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Good questions, yd1.

I think one of the things that has been largely ignored is the fact that what a defensive player can do, within the rules of the game, is much more restrictive than in the past. You can only hit a guy a certain way - witness that non-penalty in the 'Bama/A&M game, where a defensive back was ejected for a hit to the head, when their helmets never even made contact. He was "un-ejected", but the penalty still was assessed??!! What was THAT?!

Inexperience is another factor. And I genuinely believe that the current popularity of the uptempo offense is another factor: once you start getting the defenses to breathing a little hard on a drive, and then you don't let them get subs in, you can dictate a higher scoring game. And that seems to be cutting both ways (meaning, against both defenses in a game). I truly believe that UGA and LSU have better defenses than what we saw IF - IF - you allow them to play under the rules of 30 years ago. There would still be the freshman mistakes, but I think the scores would have been lower.

There are some things I'd like to see made illegal. First, I HATE when an offense gets into their stance, starts their snap count, and then stands up and looks at the sideline. It OBVIOUSLY gives the offense an advantage. When I played HS ball, once you went into your stance, you couldn't come out of it until the ball was snapped. And even THEN there had to be TWO counts PRIOR to snapping the ball. I like the old rules better.

Next, give defenses a chance to make their substitutions. I don't want to watch one team drive another into the ground because they had the next 6 plays already called, and can look at the sidelines after getting into their stance and change the play based on what the defense is showing - make the QB use his own brain and adjust. If we are going to allow an uptempo offense, cut the clock down to a 30 second clock, so the offense gets held accountable for all those adjustments.

Back to the nature of what constitutes an illegal hit. It seems to me that the reason teams got away from the option offense, which USED to RULE the game, is partly because defenses got wise to it and started punishing QBs. It became pretty ineffective. Now it's back in the form of the "read option", and it seems like the NFL is going to go through a phase of it. Why not, since the QB is pretty much protected from the types of hits that were the reason why you NEVER, EVER saw it in the NFL years ago? Personally, I want QBs to be "held accountable" by LBs if they decide to hold onto that ball. Sliding is a cop out - take your medicine - or don't run the play.

Okay - I'm a little TOO old fashioned - sorry about that. Sometimes I put some pretty worthless two cents in, but that's the way I feel about it.
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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 1 month ago #54410 by Buc
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yankeedawg1, I started my post to this thread, which I find very interesting, will finish tomorrow, could be a bit lengthy. Really like the question. "Just asking". :)

Edit: Read what thriller posted, good stuff. Did not want to post the same thing. Agree with a lot of what thriller had to say, will try to add a little different slant tomorrow.

You folks have a good evening. Great to be a DAWG! :)

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11 years 1 month ago #54411 by yankeedawg1
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Gents This is why this board is hands down the best when it comes to college football

Thiller not good but great points It follows my thinking that there are many factors


That come into play on what it takes to make a good defense

Talent size speed desire must have a motor

Buc Coach them up teach good fundamentals play WE ball

Puzzle has many pieces We learned that our former D line coach was part of the problem

Went back and looked at A&M Bama Kirby's crew looked out of sync at times playing

Johnny Football will cause any defense to blink Old yd1 is looking for his tree

Call it a night Go Dawgs!!!!

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11 years 1 month ago - 11 years 1 month ago #54412 by Dawg With Style
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What if JJarvis and tree would of stayed.

Just got finished watching the game again Floyd played a good game too.

Off to work everybody have a good day

How Bout them Dawgs!!!!!!!


Ride it like you stole it
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