Monday Thoughts - The Danger with Expectations

Referring to members earlier in this thread and others . . . . NC_Dawg never took his foot off of the pedal when it came to "Leadership".

Hard to put time and especially time dates on being "all that".

Our record over many years does not show the type leadership that many want. LimeyDawg used a very good word . . . . "expectations". Neither leadership or expectations have been met in . . . . ?

Different strokes for different folks.

Every one of us has their OWN expectations. Mine are not fantastic . . .

I'll EASILY give him 4 to 5 years. We certainly gave Richt a long time, and a few times over his tenure, he came through with championships. In the end it was just clear that we were not going any further.

I would be SHOCKED if we win fewer than 8 games next year, given the schedule. I would also be SHOCKED if we win more than 9 - there are a couple of pretty good teams on the schedule. Either way, though, I'm not judging CKS based on a single season - so far - he's DOING AWESOME.

I expect that within the next few seasons, we will win the East and MAYBE the conference - can't expect much more short of a National Championship!

But whatever happens, I will ALWAYS cheer for the DAWGS and support MY TEAM!!!

Go DAWGS!!!!

P.S. for the Richt Sycophants out there . . . go cheer for "The U". Good luck with that.

Buc,

Wyche certainly could draft the talent, but he could never succeed in achieving success with it. The reason why Wyche was never given any praise is because he failed to have a single winning season with the Bucs, and if I recall, I think the best he ever saw was a 7-9 season. Dungy comes in and takes his talent and achieves what he couldn't with the team and it made Wyche look even worse.

Where Dungy truly became the icon in Tampa that he still is today is that he took Wyche's team and made them a respectable program for the first time in their history. Of course, it was so needed that the first guy to step in as head coach and do it was going to be hailed as iconic. I remember going to Bucs games back in the 80s when the team was so awful, we'd park down the street on Himes avenue and you'd see nothing but cars with free tickets under the windshield wipers. That's how awful they were.

You made the point about not being sure whether or not what Tampa gave away to get Gruden was worth it or not. Dungy's firing was surprising at the time, but it was evident that Glazer wanted the jewelry and gave the farm away to Al Davis to get it. One thing that Bucs fans never seem to grasp about their ownership is that the Glazers have never been about the future, only the now. Manchester United is their baby, and the Bucs have always played second fiddle. Gruden only had to come in to take a stagnant offense with an aging QB in Brad Johnson and squeeze enough juice out of that dried offensive lemon to make a small glass of lemonade one time. And he did it. The Glazers knew that not only would he be the one track coach, but that he'd put butts in seats - and he did. I've always said that Gruden hire was far more of a business decision than it was a football decision; but that's how they operate.

Gruden is not a well rounded coach. And frankly, I don't call him an offensive mastermind. Monte's defense made Gruden's job much easier, and he knew it. That Tampa defense under Kiffin was beastly. But Gruden is not an offensive mastermind. Is he a good coach? Depends on how you define good. By the time Gruden exited stage right, he did not leave the franchise in better shape than he inherited it. He's far more of a personality than a coach.

Anyway, I won't derail this thread any longer with Tampa Bay talk.

Good comments Buc.

I have gotten used to my expectations not being meet over the last several years so that being said I just want a coach that will acknowledge that there is a problem and has a resolution to it. I want a coach that gets pissed off if we lose instead of the aw shucks attitude. I want coach that understands that there is 60 minutes of football and not let up till the final whistle blows. I want a coach that understands his opponents and doesn't field a team that is not prepared. I want a coach that recruits for what the team needs instead of the biggest headline. As for as wins and losses you give me a coach that will do the things above and we won't have to worry about it because we will be a team others fear to play instead of the signature win that we have been over the last decade. I do believe we have a coach now that fits the criteria above.

SouthernDawg, you know your history.

Pop passed, he however got to wear the ring. The family was always more involved with the team on the other side of the Atlantic. Still is.

Went through a lot of "stuff" with many.

The Tampa Bay Board got really hot . . . . radio, tv and other "things" and suddenly comments were not welcomed.

Being as I am a member of the Falcon Board and once upon a time more involved with the Buccaneer operation . . . . I post here, "out there" it is too loud.

Often, or maybe I should say, on occasion I see folks mentioning Jon Gruden coaching college football, SEC football. I just shake my head and move on. "They" do not "know".

Glad to read your thoughts, they are accurate, hope that you continue to post, Dawgs.com is growing for several reasons . . . . there are many here that "understand" what many "refuse" to accept.

DAWGtm wrote: I have gotten used to my expectations not being meet over the last several years so that being said I just want a coach that will acknowledge that there is a problem and has a resolution to it. I want a coach that gets pissed off if we lose instead of the aw shucks attitude. I want coach that understands that there is 60 minutes of football and not let up till the final whistle blows. I want a coach that understands his opponents and doesn't field a team that is not prepared. I want a coach that recruits for what the team needs instead of the biggest headline. As for as wins and losses you give me a coach that will do the things above and we won't have to worry about it because we will be a team others fear to play instead of the signature win that we have been over the last decade. I do believe we have a coach now that fits the criteria above.

DAWGtm, I sincerely hope what I read in your post comes to fruition.

I know from your many posts that you care. 2016 will be a football season not like most of us have seen in xxxx years. Looking forward to 2016. While there will be years after 2016 that will show growth, it is an easy thing to spot when "attitude" and "expectations" are obvious, I expect that in 2016. Bet this . . . . Kirby Smart and his "hires" will change the way things have been done for the past xxxx number of years. A good thing.

Georgia Football Coaching had become stale at the top.