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AllDawgs5 wrote:

As for Kent Daddy, sorry again for forgetting that you were the toughest, badest man in the world. By the way, my 13 niece just got her black belt in Tae Kwan Do. You really have to be tough to do that martial arts.

Tae Kwan Do is the diet Sprite of martial arts. I started in Kenpo with some Judo thrown in but switched to Krav Maga because I did not care for the eastern religion metaphysical mumbo jumbo and just wanted to fight.

But good for your niece. When she gets older she will need to learn a real self defense technique for the street.

I am by no means the toughest, but I am certain tougher than Richt.

kentdaddy wrote:

AllDawgs5 wrote:

As for Kent Daddy, sorry again for forgetting that you were the toughest, badest man in the world. By the way, my 13 niece just got her black belt in Tae Kwan Do. You really have to be tough to do that martial arts.

Tae Kwan Do is the diet Sprite of martial arts. I started in Kenpo with some Judo thrown in but switched to Krav Maga because I did not care for the eastern religion metaphysical mumbo jumbo and just wanted to fight.

But good for your niece. When she gets older she will need to learn a real self defense technique for the street.

I am by no means the toughest, but I am certain tougher than Richt.

I've got 18 years of experience in TKD I'll throw on the table as a counter to that crap of an opinion. (Kent, your first name isn't Mike, is it? That particular mindset sounds familiar) As for TKD, perhaps where you are this is your experience or where you study, but hey, if you are in Athens, go see Jim Couch and I'm sure he can adjust your perspective. You assume too much on this point. To AllDawg, all I can say is expose your daughter to as many martial arts as possible. One won't do it all. Teach her to work within her own limitations, not the limitations set by a specific style, and she'll be a superstar. If you can find somebody to teach her the science of the art outside the sport side of TKD then you'll find a nasty, nasty way to hurt somebody. Hapkido is the better way; it teaches a more practical application of TKD, plus throws in small joint manipulation and throws...I'll spare you, but I can offer a lot of advice on this.

Anyhoo.

Bad fans. Yeah, I'm in that group. I was on the CMR bandwagon for quite a few years, but I see the light, at least from my perspective. I don't see the connection when JoePa's name gets tossed around as an example of letting things be. What has Penn State done in the last decade? Joe Pa is a legend, and legend is the only reason he's still around. Sort of why Bobby Bowden was able to hold on for so long at FL State. CMR knows this business, knows what's expected and knows the dangers attached to underperformance. I agree with those who see the program as on a slide. Almost is no longer a good enough benchmark. Georgia needs to be counted with the elite programs, but that can't happen until we win more NCs. This season shows that the program is broken. With all we have under the hood, we still limp off the line, while the elite programs win and win and win. Our kids could play anywhere, yet they play here and, because of that, they underperform. It's CMR's fault, whether in the manner in which he conducts pre season practice, his lack of control over the players' extracurricular activities, or his lack of emotion on the sideline...whatever. He has control. If a player does not step up, CMR can bench them. Doesn't, but could. Coaches have units that underperform? Same deal. Same outcome. Somebody has to be in charge. Somebody has to be responsible.

As a fan, I have a unique position. I'm loyal to a program; that's it. I spend money on Georgia memorabilia, clothing, etcetera because I love Georgia, not CMR, or AM, or AJG. I can take or leave all of them. I suffered through the Goff years. As a student, I watched Bo Jackson light us up in Athens. I hate Steve Spurrier only because he had the forsight to run up the score on us and send a message while our HC wants to have a tea party and sit around a friggin camp fire with the enemy and sing Kumbyah.
I want people to hate CMR because he wins, because he kicks ass, and because he runs up the score just to piss people off. I'm left wondering now, if Steve Spurrier were coach in Athens and was faced with the ineptitude around him, what would he do?
What would Les Miles do?
What would Nick Saban do?
What would Urban Myer do?

Think we'd be 2-4?

LimeyDawg wrote:
I've got 18 years of experience in TKD I'll throw on the table as a counter to that crap of an opinion.[/quote]

Well good for you. That opinion is shared by many who view martial arts more as a life defending form and less as a sport. I have met some TKD people who were OK, but nearly every school I have seen personally seemed like a belt factory. Pay your money and get your belt. The previous posters example of a 13 year old girl seems to support that.

I grew up in a military household with a Colonel Father then a Gunny stepfather. I do not fight unless I am defending myself or my family but when I do my goal is to maim, injure or kill whoever is the threat. Points do not matter.

(Kent, your first name isn't Mike, is it? That particular mindset sounds familiar) As for TKD, perhaps where you are this is your experience or where you study, but hey, if you are in Athens, go see Jim Couch and I'm sure he can adjust your perspective.

I may do that. I enjoy a good fight. My perspective will likely not change as long as Americanized martial arts remains about revenue generation. Other forms also have good and bad. And yes my name is Kent. I have had a beer with wlayton here personally.

You assume too much on this point.

I do not assume anything. I base it on what I have seen. I will get my kids into martial arts when they are older for self defense. The only training for fighting is fighting. The only way to prepare for an attack on the street or in a bar is to get attacked as close to that scenario as possible. Maybe you had a good school that gets you lots of fight time.

To AllDawg, all I can say is expose your daughter to as many martial arts as possible. One won't do it all. Teach her to work within her own limitations, not the limitations set by a specific style, and she'll be a superstar. If you can find somebody to teach her the science of the art outside the sport side of TKD then you'll find a nasty, nasty way to hurt somebody. Hapkido is the better way; it teaches a more practical application of TKD, plus throws in small joint manipulation and throws...I'll spare you, but I can offer a lot of advice on this.

This is better advice. I see you differentiate between the sport TKD and traditional. Also getting knife or handgun training can be beneficial. There are other styles with good points like BJJ or Aikido, but being exposed to several is nice. At the end of the day teaching women to be safe is critical because they have siz and strength working against them in many cases.

Bad fans. Yeah, I'm in that group. I was on the CMR bandwagon for quite a few years, but I see the light, at least from my perspective. I don't see the connection when JoePa's name gets tossed around as an example of letting things be. What has Penn State done in the last decade? Joe Pa is a legend, and legend is the only reason he's still around. Sort of why Bobby Bowden was able to hold on for so long at FL State. CMR knows this business, knows what's expected and knows the dangers attached to underperformance. I agree with those who see the program as on a slide. Almost is no longer a good enough benchmark. Georgia needs to be counted with the elite programs, but that can't happen until we win more NCs. This season shows that the program is broken. With all we have under the hood, we still limp off the line, while the elite programs win and win and win. Our kids could play anywhere, yet they play here and, because of that, they underperform. It's CMR's fault, whether in the manner in which he conducts pre season practice, his lack of control over the players' extracurricular activities, or his lack of emotion on the sideline...whatever. He has control. If a player does not step up, CMR can bench them. Doesn't, but could. Coaches have units that underperform? Same deal. Same outcome. Somebody has to be in charge. Somebody has to be responsible.

Wisdom here.

As a fan, I have a unique position. I'm loyal to a program; that's it. I spend money on Georgia memorabilia, clothing, etcetera because I love Georgia, not CMR, or AM, or AJG. I can take or leave all of them. I suffered through the Goff years. As a student, I watched Bo Jackson light us up in Athens. I hate Steve Spurrier only because he had the forsight to run up the score on us and send a message while our HC wants to have a tea party and sit around a friggin camp fire with the enemy and sing Kumbyah.
I want people to hate CMR because he wins, because he kicks ass, and because he runs up the score just to piss people off. I'm left wondering now, if Steve Spurrier were coach in Athens and was faced with the ineptitude around him, what would he do?
What would Les Miles do?
What would Nick Saban do?
What would Urban Myer do?

Think we'd be 2-4?

Wisdom here too.

The charge of belt factories can be aimed at ANY martial arts school IF you're cynical enough not to understand that all of these schools are businesses. The student has a responsibility to listen and learn, but most of them care more about the color of their belts. That's not necessarily the school's fault.

"Diet sprite of marital arts." Kempo teaches small joint manipulations, strikes to soft targets, strikes to joints and various other self defense techniques, just as TKD does, right?There's a valid reason why you don't teach a twelve year old an eye gouge, or the practical application of a side kick to a knee, or the value of a simple foot stomp as an effective way to escape an attack from behind. If all schools did, they'd be sued out of existence in a very short time. In TKD, these are taught to adult black belts. Any reputable school has those late classes, where they teach practical application of technique. I haven't been to one that did not, and I've studied at many schools. I'm sure there are some that are out there.

Anyhoo, it seems we've killed the thread. Oops.

kentdaddy is my personal bodyguard.

LimeyDawg wrote:

The charge of belt factories can be aimed at ANY martial arts school IF you're cynical enough not to understand that all of these schools are businesses. The student has a responsibility to listen and learn, but most of them care more about the color of their belts. That's not necessarily the school's fault.

"Diet sprite of marital arts." Kempo teaches small joint manipulations, strikes to soft targets, strikes to joints and various other self defense techniques, just as TKD does, right?There's a valid reason why you don't teach a twelve year old an eye gouge, or the practical application of a side kick to a knee, or the value of a simple foot stomp as an effective way to escape an attack from behind. If all schools did, they'd be sued out of existence in a very short time. In TKD, these are taught to adult black belts. Any reputable school has those late classes, where they teach practical application of technique. I haven't been to one that did not, and I've studied at many schools. I'm sure there are some that are out there.

Anyhoo, it seems we've killed the thread. Oops.

Yes when the focus shifts towards profit some schools seem to lose the primary focus of the art. I have even recently seen it in Krav Maga down here. My previous instructor left and now they have tried to introduce belt systems and make changes to more americanize it and I am doubtful this will produce better, more capable students.

I agree with your point about advanced techniques to younger people, but then it seems to be a misnomer to give black belts to people who are not black belt proficient.

When I refer to belt schools the name Peter Lee from Daytona comes to mind.